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09-06-20, 23:03
luciandan

oscam - cereri returnate cu not found

Salutare,

De cateva zile am trecut si eu la oscam pe server. Am un card focussat. Am citit si setat tot ce se poate seta. Procentul de cereri ok se situeaza peste 91-92% pe server. Ideea e ca am cereri venite de la cativa peeri (aceiasi in numar de vreo 4-5) care sunt returnate de cardul local cu "not found" cu toate ca am canalele subscrise pe acele canale, am setat reader grup dedicat pt cardul local cu services si toate cele. Clientii au acces doar la local. M-am uitat pe loguri si nu inteleg de ce vin aceste "not found". Spre exemplu am vazut ca daca cere unul din cei 5 si cardul returneaza cu "not found" la cateva secunde vin cereri si de la ceilalti clienti pe acelasi SID(canal). Am crezut ca e de la cardul meu, m-am uitat pe log, am vazut la ce canal a dat cu "nok, not found" si am incercat si eu sa il deschid. Totul in regula. De asemenea am vazut in log cand unul a cerut de exemplu PRO TV, cardul a dat not found si apoi alt peer a cerut acelasi canal si cardul a raspuns ok. Chiar nu imi explic ce sa aiba. Am mai observat ca uneori mai vad tot de la aceeasi 4-5 peeri ca serverul returneaza "no matching reader" ceea ce e la fel ciudat din moment ce au acces la cardul meu local. Am setat si LB_White_list pe readerul local ca sa nu puna service subscrise pe card in "bad sid". Ceilalti peeri nu au problema asta, cer ok, cardul merge ok. Doar la acestia 4-5 cardul cand da ok ECMuri cand da cu "not found" sau no matching reader.
Sa fie din cauza ca folosesc multics? Daca aveti idei, propuneri cum sa rezolv asta, sa scap de NOK, va multumesc. Mentionez ca si cand aveam cccam vedeam aceleasi raspunsuri eronate din partea cardului la exact aceeasi peeri . Acolo dadea in logul cccam cu "card error", ceva de genul si cred ca din cauza asta dupa un timp cccamul crapa, in ultima perioada foarte des.

multumesc
13-06-20, 00:07
sole1

Probabil cei 4 sau 5 folosesc schimburi de cachex si serverul lor primeste raspuns din cachex si la tine apare cu NOK pentru ca serverul lor nu mai are nevoie de raspuns din cardul tau
14-06-20, 20:25
fery21

Eu folosesc servicile urmatoare pentru car full
Seteaza corect grup pentru clienti
oscam.services

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[focussat_familia]
caid = 0B02
provid = 000000
srvid = 0401,76C8,76DD,0AFD,2AFB,2AFA,0D48,77F0,76CC,76D5,7925,76C1,76D6,76D2,76D7,055F,78C3,79E7,78B9,0207, 79E3,79FA,0550,77AA,03F9,03F6,76DA,798B,0B87,0DC0,03F5,77FE,76CA,76D4,76CB,03F3,76C5,76CE,76D8,7987, 0B86,0D84,772F,0DDE,7672,01FA,76CD,76C4,78BC,0DB6,77A8,77B0,77B1,055C,0492,055A,78BE,0FFA,03F7,77AF, 76C6,0B9A,0C30,0B50,0EFD,0CC6,79EA,060E,759C,03EC,79E8,76C2,773E,03ED,76D3,0D34,0D8E,03F3,01FB,76C7, 7A06

[focussat_mozaic_plus]
caid = 0B02
provid = 000000
srvid = 0B60,7923,76DB,77F6,77FA,178E,77F2,7921,0D7A,77F9,1B63,07DF,07E0,77ED,772E,79FC,7A01,78C5,798A,1E87, 773C,1E86,77EE,79E5,01FD,01FC,01FF,7674,040B,79E4,7725,7984,791B,01FE,78B8,7982,75FC

[focussat_activ]
caid = 0B02
provid = 000000
srvid = 07E7,78C8,78D1,78BD,78D0

[focussat_filmbox]
caid = 0B02
provid = 000000
srvid = 07E6,07E5,773B,75F9,7609,03F4

[focussat_cinema]
caid = 0B02
provid = 000000
srvid = 77F5,78C2,0D70,7673,77F1,03FC

[focussat_panonia]
caid = 0B02
provid = 000000
srvid = 7603,0200,0201,01F7,7613,78C4,7608,78BA,78C7,75FB,0A96,7596,79F7,7998,7999,797F,799A,778D,778F,77AE, 778D,7605,7986,79EF,77AD,77AC,77B2,78C0,78CE,79F3,79EC,7728,7601,79ED,79F9,7985,79EE,774F,7807,78BB, 75A0,7602,798D,7992,7989,799F,798E,7993

oscam.svrid

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#FAMILIA 30/05/2020
0B02:0401|Focus Sat|Music Channel
0B02:76C8|Focus Sat|AMC
0B02:76DD|Focus Sat|AMC
0B02:0AFD|Focus Sat|AXN
0B02:2AFB|Focus Sat|AXN Black
0B02:2AFA|Focus Sat|AXN White
0B02:0D48|Focus Sat|Agro TV
0B02:77F0|Focus Sat|Animal Planet
0B02:76CC|Focus Sat|Antena 1
0B02:76D5|Focus Sat|Antena 1
0B02:7925|Focus Sat|Antena 1 HD
0B02:76C1|Focus Sat|Antena 3
0B02:76D6|Focus Sat|Antena 3
0B02:76D2|Focus Sat|Antena Stars
0B02:76D7|Focus Sat|Antena Stars
0B02:055F|Focus Sat|B1 TV
0B02:78C3|Focus Sat|Blue Hustler
0B02:79E7|Focus Sat|Bollywood TV
0B02:7a06|Focus Sat|Bollywood TV
0B02:78B9|Focus Sat|CBS Reality
0B02:0207|Focus Sat|CGTN
0B02:79E3|Focus Sat|CNN
0B02:79FA|Focus Sat|CNN (SVT)
0B02:0550|Focus Sat|Cartoon Network
0B02:77AA|Focus Sat|Comedy Central
0B02:03F9|Focus Sat|Credo TV
0B02:03F6|Focus Sat|Digi24
0B02:76DA|Focus Sat|Discovery Channel
0B02:798B|Focus Sat|Disney Channel ROM
0B02:0B87|Focus Sat|Diva
0B02:0DC0|Focus Sat|Etno TV
0B02:03F5|Focus Sat|Eurosport Romania
0B02:77FE|Focus Sat|Eurosport2 Romania
0B02:76CA|Focus Sat|Favorit TV
0B02:76D4|Focus Sat|Favorit TV
0B02:76CB|Focus Sat|Film Cafe
0B02:03F3|Focus Sat|Film Box
0B02:76C5|Focus Sat|Fine Living
0B02:76CE|Focus Sat|Happy Channel
0B02:76D8|Focus Sat|Happy Channel
0B02:7987|Focus Sat|Investigation Discovery
0B02:0B86|Focus Sat|Kanal D
0B02:0D84|Focus Sat|LookPlus
0B02:772F|Focus Sat|LookPlus HD
0B02:0DDE|Focus Sat|LookSport
0B02:7672|Focus Sat|LookSport HD
0B02:01FA|Focus Sat|MTV Europe
0B02:76CD|Focus Sat|Minimax RO
0B02:76C4|Focus Sat|National 24 Plus
0B02:78BC|Focus Sat|National Geographic
0B02:0DB6|Focus Sat|National TV
0B02:77A8|Focus Sat|Nick Jr
0B02:77B0|Focus Sat|Nickelodeon
0B02:77B1|Focus Sat|Nicktoons RO
0B02:055C|Focus Sat|PRO 2
0B02:0492|Focus Sat|PRO CINEMA
0B02:055A|Focus Sat|PRO GOLD
0B02:78BE|Focus Sat|PRO TV
0B02:0FFA|Focus Sat|PRO TV HD
0B02:03F7|Focus Sat|PRO X
0B02:77AF|Focus Sat|Paramount Channel
0B02:76C6|Focus Sat|Prima TV RO
0B02:0B9A|Focus Sat|Pro TV International
0B02:0C30|Focus Sat|Realitatea Plus
0B02:0B50|Focus Sat|Romania TV
0B02:0EFD|Focus Sat|Sky News
0B02:0CC6|Focus Sat|Speranta TV
0B02:79EA|Focus Sat|TLC
0B02:060E|Focus Sat|TNT
0B02:759C|Focus Sat|TV1000
0B02:03EC|Focus Sat|TV Paprika RO
0B02:79E8|Focus Sat|TV5
0B02:76C2|Focus Sat|TVR1
0B02:773E|Focus Sat|TVR1 HD
0B02:03ED|Focus Sat|TVR2
0B02:76D3|Focus Sat|TVR3
0B02:0D34|Focus Sat|Taraf TV
0B02:0D8E|Focus Sat|Trinitas TV
0B02:03F3|Focus Sat|U TV
0B02:01FB|Focus Sat|VH1
0B02:76C7|Focus Sat|ZU TV

#Mozaic Plus
0B02:0B60|Focus Sat|Al Jazeera
0B02:7923|Focus Sat|Animal Planet HD
0B02:76DB|Focus Sat|Auto Motor und Sport TV
0B02:77F6|Focus Sat|Boomerang
0B02:77FA|Focus Sat|DTX
0B02:178E|Focus Sat|Discovery Channel HD
0B02:77F2|Focus Sat|Discovery Science
0B02:7921|Focus Sat|Discovery Showcase HD
0B02:0D7A|Focus Sat|Disney Junior
0B02:77F9|Focus Sat|Duck TV
0B02:1B63|Focus Sat|Epic Drama HD
0B02:07DF|Focus Sat|Eurosport 1 HD
0B02:07E0|Focus Sat|Eurosport 2 HD
0B02:77ED|Focus Sat|Extreme Sports Channel
0B02:772E|Focus Sat|Fashion TV
0B02:79FC|Focus Sat|Fishing & Hunting
0B02:7A01|Focus Sat|Fishing & Hunting
0B02:78C5|Focus Sat|Food Network
0B02:798A|Focus Sat|History
0B02:1E87|Focus Sat|History Europe
0B02:773E|Focus Sat|History HD
0B02:1E86|Focus Sat|History Romania
0B02:77EE|Focus Sat|Jim Jam
0B02:79E5|Focus Sat|Jim Jam RO
0B02:01FD|Focus Sat|MTV Dance
0B02:01FC|Focus Sat|MTV Hits
0B02:01FF|Focus Sat|MTV Rocks
0B02:7674|Focus Sat|Mooz Dance HD
0B02:040B|Focus Sat|National Geographic HD
0B02:79E4|Focus Sat|National Geographic Wild
0B02:7725|Focus Sat|National Geographic Wild HD
0B02:7984|Focus Sat|Travel Channel
0B02:791B|Focus Sat|Travel Channel HD
0B02:01FE|Focus Sat|VH-1 Classic
0B02:78B8|Focus Sat|Viasat Explore
0B02:7982|Focus Sat|Viasat History
0B02:75FC|Focus Sat|Viasat Nature

#ACTIV 30/05/2020
0B02:07E7|Focus Sat|Eroxxx
0B02:78C8|Focus Sat|Hustler TV
0B02:78D1|Focus Sat|Hustler TV
0B02:78BD|Focus Sat|Private TV
0B02:78D0|Focus Sat|Private TV

#FILMBOX 30/05/2020
0B02:07E6|Focus Sat|Docubox
0B02:07E5|Focus Sat|Fightbox
0B02:773b|Focus Sat|Filmbox Extra HD
0B02:75F9|Focus Sat|Filmbox Family
0B02:7609|Focus Sat|Filmbox Plus
0B02:03F4|Focus Sat|Filmbox Premium

#CINEMA 30/05/2020
0B02:77F5|Focus Sat|Cinemax
0B02:78C2|Focus Sat|Cinemax2
0B02:0D70|Focus Sat|HBO
0B02:7673|Focus Sat|HBO HD
0B02:77F1|Focus Sat|HBO 2
0B02:03FC|Focus Sat|HBO 3

#PANONIA 30/05/2020
0B02:7603|Focus Sat|Magyar ATV
0B02:0200|Focus Sat|Comedy Central Family HU
0B02:0201|Focus Sat|Comedy Central HU
0B02:01F7|Focus Sat|Comedy Central HU
0B02:7613|Focus Sat|Cool TV
0B02:78C4|Focus Sat|Duna TV
0B02:7608|Focus Sat|Duna TV Word
0B02:78BA|Focus Sat|FEM3
0B02:78C7|Focus Sat|FEM3
0B02:75FB|Focus Sat|Film+
0B02:0A96|Focus Sat|Galaxy4
0B02:7596|Focus Sat|Hir TV
0B02:79F7|Focus Sat|Isaura TV
0B02:7998|Focus Sat|Kiwi TV
0B02:7999|Focus Sat|Kiwi TV
0B02:797F|Focus Sat|LiChi TV
0B02:799A|Focus Sat|LiChi TV
0B02:778D|Focus Sat|M1
0B02:778F|Focus Sat|M2
0B02:77AE|Focus Sat|MTV HU
0B02:778D|Focus Sat|M1
0B02:7605|Focus Sat|Minimax HU
0B02:7986|Focus Sat|Mozi+
0B02:79EF|Focus Sat|Muzsika TV
0B02:77AD|Focus Sat|Nick Jr. HU
0B02:77AC|Focus Sat|Nickelodeon HU
0B02:77B2|Focus Sat|Nicktoons HU
0B02:78C0|Focus Sat|Prime
0B02:78CE|Focus Sat|Prime
0B02:79F3|Focus Sat|RTL GOLD
0B02:79EC|Focus Sat|RTL II
0B02:7728|Focus Sat|RTL KLUB HD
0B02:7601|Focus Sat|RTL Klub
0B02:79ED|Focus Sat|RTL+
0B02:79F9|Focus Sat|RTL+
0B02:7985|Focus Sat|Slager TV
0B02:79EE|Focus Sat|Sorozat +
0B02:774F|Focus Sat|Story4
0B02:7807|Focus Sat|Story4
0B02:78BB|Focus Sat|Super TV2
0B02:75A0|Focus Sat|TV Paprika HU
0B02:7602|Focus Sat|TV2
0B02:798D|Focus Sat|TV2 Comedy
0B02:7992|Focus Sat|TV2 Comedy
0B02:7989|Focus Sat|TV4
0B02:799F|Focus Sat|TV4
0B02:798E|Focus Sat|Zenebutik
0B02:7993|Focus Sat|Zenebutik
15-06-20, 01:06
felix73

lasate l ca are pachetu doar familia activ..de vreo 7 ani.

:)

si el lasa cereri cu nok in urma cind deschide hbo hd de la altii..
15-06-20, 13:32
luciandan

Auzi, daca nu stii despre ce e vorba in topicul meu nu te mai baga. Iar daca vrei sa faci atacuri la persoana incearca in alta parte. Sunt satul de oameni care sunt pe langa problema. Ce relevanta are ca am pachetul familia de 7 ani? Am facut schimb cu tine cumva si te deranjeaza? Stai calm ca am schimb cu oamani de aici si nu "fac misto " ca tine. Sunt f corect cand fac schimb de linii si zic clar ce am. NU profit de altii si serverul il tin pt hobbyul meu dar vreau sa fie stabil. Hai sa vorbim civilizat si daca ai ceva de spus strict referiror la speta mea zi-o.
Ce relevanta are mai ca si eu dau nok cand cer HBO? Ca sa ii raspund colegului de mai sus fery21 am services puse atat pe readerul meu cat si pe useri. Problema e ca uneori am cereri returnate de cardul local (ai inteles? cardul local) pe subscriptia mea din pachetul famila cu "not found" si ma intrebam de la ce ar fi. Te bagi in seama cu HBO, un exemplu prost. Faptul ca am 50 de posturi si tu 5000 asta nu te face mai destept. Cand eu eram pe forumul asta tu inca il cautai.
Asa ca te rog nu polua acest topic daca nu ai ceva constructiv de zis. Multumesc celor care au raspuns la subiect pe acest topic
15-06-20, 18:16
felix73

primesti cereri cu nok cum zici tu, pt ca respectivu peer gaseste in alta parte.dar cauta si pa la tine..
daca tu vezi pa cineva cu nok pa protv la tine,asta nu inseamna ca ala sta acolo cu ecran negru..
ii deschide oscamu din alta parte instant.

daca ai fi avunt vreo raritate..sa zicem 0940 cu hd..nu ai mai fi avut asa multe nokuri..
pentru ca nu sunt multe in share ca 0b02 ..
chiar si unu din hop 5 s ar fi agatat de un 0940 pt ca nu ar avea de unde sa ia din alta parte.
dar pa un card 0b02 situatia e alta..
15-06-20, 19:19
luciandan

Sunt de acord cu ce spui ca respectivul nu are ecran negru pe "pro tv" de exemplu. Ideea este de ce imi raspunde mie cardul cu "not found". Ok..Sa zicem ca unul cere si de la mine si de la tine "protv". Sa inteleg ca de la tine raspunde ok si de la mine nok cardul? Ok, sunt depasit la partea asta. Vin doua cereri in acelsi timp? Eu cred ca in spate sunt niste cereri aiurea venite de la niste servere configurate prost sau...nu stiu. Sau...sau...poatein realitate cei ce fac cereri pe 0B02 vin pe canale nu de facussat ci alte canale care folosesc tot 0B02 (sincer nu stiu daca mai exista) dar cu SIDuri identice.
15-06-20, 23:02
fery21

Problema se rezolva daca la services nu ai 1802,1880 "not found" o intalnesti la programele simulcrypt.
16-06-20, 00:42
luciandan

Intr-adevar problema am observat-o de obicei la programele simulcrypt (gen protv, eurosport ro, filmbox) dar nu am stat sa verific daca e numai la ele. La services nu am 1802, 1880. Cu partenerii fac schimb local la local.

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Edit: fara quote pt posturi consecutive, vezi pct-ul 12 din regulament
16-06-20, 16:44
felix73

nu are nicio treaba cu simulcrypt..
pentru ca asta ar insemna ca respectivii peeri sa nu aiba nimic in prio.
ceea ce e greu de crezut.

obisnueste te cu el asa cum este.e mai bun decit cccam.
tu hotaraste cite nok accepti ..200 pa zi sau 10000..
ca de ele nu scapi.
16-06-20, 18:14
lao

Problema consta in faptul ca iti vin cereri gresite, de aia ai not found.
Singura solutie ca cererile alea sa nu mai ajunga la card sa-l streseze e sa pui la reader:

Code:

ecmwhitelist = 4E,53,60,65,72,84,9C,97,8A,A9 ecmheaderwhitelist = 80705D70566320,81705D70566320,807094708D6321,817094708D6321,807081707A6321,817081707A6321,80704B70446321,81704B70446321

Atunci, ele se transforma in invalid si nu mai ajung la card.
Atentie, setarile de mai sus au fost valabile, nu stiu daca s-a schimbat ceva.
Cand schimba astia ceva la ecmwhitelist nu-ti mai deschide deloc canalul care are alt ecmwhitelist
Le vezi in log

Quote:

user1 (P: 0B02:000000:76CD:0000:0000: #ECM_L:4E #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00): not found (308 ms) by

Pentru a verifica ecmheaderwhitelist pornesti oscam in debug 1024 si in fiecare linie apare la inceput 807081707A6321 (unul din alea)
CW ala plin de zero de fapt ar trebui sa inceapa cu 807081707A6321 (chiar daca tu nu vezi sirul intreg), daca incepe cu 0000 il baga la invalid
16-06-20, 19:53
luciandan

Am mai completat lista cu urmatoarele ecmheaderwhitelist:80705D70566321,81706F70686321,81705D70566321,80708770806321 pt ca nu se deschideau toate canalele de pe subscriptia mea.

Din pacate si cu ecmheaderwhitelist setat am "not found". Am ous un log si am ceva de genul cand da "not found":

Client xxxx ECM dump P: 0B02:000000:03F6:0000:0000: #ECM_L:60 #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 80 70 5D 70 56 63 21 78 F8 57 F8 34 D8 E8 4A A2
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 69 FC 9C 02 ED 98 ED 7A 4E B2 78 9E A0 D2 77 13
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 7C 12 7E 50 D8 5F BA CA 60 F5 DB 6E 0B 92 E2 50
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 6F CF 28 73 BC 9B 51 5B 46 F9 6F 81 C8 02 7B 7B
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) A1 24 29 6A 67 BB 63 2C 0E C3 1C EC 39 62 22 1E
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 52 76 24 2D FA 0C CE C0 36 1D FD 02 03 54 02 00
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) Client xxxx cw 00000000000000000000000000000000 rc 4 P: 0B02:000000:03F6:0000:0000: #ECM_L:60 #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00
2020/06/16 18:33:31 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) xxxx (P: 0B02:000000:03F6:0000:0000: #ECM_L:60 #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00): not found (180 ms) by focussat - Digi 24

Client xxxx ECM dump P: 0B02:000000:03F5:0000:0000: #ECM_L:4E #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 80 70 4B 70 44 63 21 4C EC 0A 0E 6B FC C6 CD 58
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 6A 3B 07 F3 74 33 77 29 52 B0 E9 CA D7 D7 45 EA
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 85 05 62 82 8C DE 2C 00 A6 E3 5E 8E B2 4B 0E 8B
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 4D CE 79 B9 06 FD F8 0B 9B 54 E2 50 E0 5F 5E DD
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) 56 7B 33 B5 29 30 37 47 A2 02 03 54 02 00
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) Client xxxx cw 00000000000000000000000000000000 rc 4 P: 0B02:000000:03F5:0000:0000: #ECM_L:4E #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00
2020/06/16 18:33:40 3A4B2E1F c (ecm) xxxx (P: 0B02:000000:03F5:0000:0000: #ECM_L:4E #CW=00000000000000000000000000000000 HOP:00): not found (161 ms) by focussat - Eurosport Romania
16-06-20, 23:04
horatyu

Fă un grup numai cu cei care da not found.
Posibil să dureze mai puțin interogarea și să găsească
și să returneze mai repede un răspuns.
17-06-20, 03:13
luciandan

Nu s-a schimbay nimic. Ce am observat la un canal care imi da multe not found (Filmbox SID 3F3) e ca nu imi scade ECM tiem sub 400ms, variaza intre 400-500ms. NU stiu cum e la voi. De exemplu eu am pe unele canale ECM de 200ms, pe altele de 250 ms..). Aveti vreo setare pe oscam astfel incat sa incerc sa scad ECM time pe cardul local? Eu acum in oscam am pe reader setarile default: CARDMHZ=2700, MHz=450. Sau sa incerc o alta varianta de oscam. Acum folosesc oscam varianta emu. merci

---------- Post added at 23:13 ---------- Previous post was at 21:14 ----------

Update: dupa ce am mai facut ceva sapaturi am observat un lucru interesant. Exista in "config" la partea de cache un parametru numit "Wait until ctimeout".

wait_until_ctimeout = 0|1

answer when cache exchange timeount expires, if no normal readers are vavailable for sending ECM's::

0 = immediatly send not found to client (default)
1 = wait for cache exchange answer until client timeout expires

Cand e setat pe 0 (defaul) cardul meu raspunde la cererile alea cu "not found". Cand l-am pus pe 1 raspunsul de eroare s-a schimbat in "timeout 5000ms", unde 5000 cred ca tine de valoarea setata in "clienttimeout". Deci cred ca problema tine de cache exchange. Eu oricum nu am activat cache pe reader sau useri.
17-06-20, 08:00
horatyu

Editează la Reader Caidul și ident să fie primele cele de la focus tv. Undeva stă mai mult să interogheze, să caute, ce trebuie deschis și de aici mai multe milisecunde și not found.
S-ar putea să fie de la cache, configurarea acestuia ,eu nu folosesc asta.

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